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[St.Aatos]

This theory might prove to be an interesting one. It's about the birth of the new Cheryl/Alessa at the end of SH1.

First of all let me be clear that I very well aware of the long running idea that it was actually God that gave birth to Cheryl/Heather. However, after studying certain things in the game, I want to offer a new idea to the table.

Hopefully it won't be seen as too heretical, or blasphemous.

It is said that Alessa is suicidal, and that she wants to cease existing. However it is also stated that she split her soul in half, and created Cheryl so she might have happiness. It is also stated that Alessa tried very hard to keep Cheryl away from Silent Hill, because she wanted that small part of her to keep staying happy. Eventually though her pain becomes so great that she has no choice but to bring Cheryl to Silent Hill. Alessa in her diary writes "I hope she understands." I do believe this "she" is Cheryl. I believe that Alessa needs Cheryl as a conduit for her power.

Ever notice that Cheryl doesn't seem to have any powers? But that's besides the point. What's important is that Alessa calls Cheryl to Silent Hill, and when Cheryl arrives the two reunite with each other. Alessa is reborn of her burns.

Alessa now sets out to spread the seal of Metatron in order to destroy the deity inside of her, and so that way she can kill herself.

But as we see in Silent Hill 2, the town loves to feed off of guilt. And I don't think Alessa is exempt from this. In her unconscious mind I believe Alessa was starting to realize that what she was doing was "wrong." She has essentially taken away Cheryl from Harry, and Harry away from Cheryl, all because she wants to kill herself.

A part of Alessa would have to feel a sort of guilt for doing this, and I think this guilt slowly starts to eat away at her. Even at the end she fails to complete the seal. And at the end she births the God.

Alright, first she awakens, and then she gives birth to the God. The Incubus is defeated, bla bla bla.

Now we come to the birth of Cheryl part. Alessa/Incubator is now on the brink of death. She knows she's going to die, but she's still harboring guilt for taking away Cheryl. But maybe, just maybe if she gives back to Harry what she took away she won't have to feel guilty. Just before she "dies" she uses her powers to take her soul and create a new Cheryl for Harry.

It is after this, that a small part of Alessa can die happy, free from guilt.

Well, until she realizes 17 years later that her future self carries God inside of her, and she want to be nice and keep herself away from that torment.

It's as Heather says in SH3. "The me that wanted death and left with God 17 years ago, and the me here in now that sought life."

Thoughts on this?

[Kromy]

I like the idea and pretty much agree with it. Also, the creation of Cheryl might have been her way of expressing gratitude for killing Incubus, or maybe the part of this complete Alessa freed from the demon really wished stay with Harry who was so good a parent and proved that by his determination during the events of the game. Of course it could've been a combination of all these reasons where the guilt for taking away Cheryl is one of the strongest.

[St.Aatos]

Yeah, to be honest I'm still not sure if I can entirely support this theory. I mean on one hand it does add a psychological twist to this ending, and it might explain why "she" doesn't give birth to the new Cheryl/Alessa in the bad endings.

But at the same time there is no denying the painting in the chapel which confirms that Alessa is the mother of God, and the Daughter of God. But then one has to wonder if the birth is metaphoric term or a literal term.

Alessa does not give birth to Alessa/Incubator in the sense that we know of to give birth. In fact one could say that the birth of Alessa/Incubator is a metaphorical term for Alessa awakening, and being born "again".

However Alessa/Incubator does give birth to Incubus (literally, even though it's from the back.)

So one has to ask, which one is the correct birth, and to which birth do we apply to the St. Alessa painting?

If it's the metaphorical birth then the "God" might simply be Alessa "born again/awakened." However if it's the literal term then the God would be Incubus. And while we don't see the Incubus give birth to the new Cheryl/Alessa there is the chance that Incubus could be the father. (and Heather would still be "the daughter of God, despite her maternity.)

Anyways I point this out for the OT, because if the God is Alessa/Incubator then the theory could very well be wrong. However if the God is Incubus then there's a chance that the theory could work.


I'd also like to point out something strange I found in the Play Novel. It seems that in the "canon" ending they combined elements from both the bad ending and the good endings. For example, right after Incubus is born, Harry asks for Cheryl. Dahlia goes "give up! That person no longer exists! This is a God, descended to reach down and save us!"

Before that (after that.) Dahlia says "It's awake! It's awakening!"

However then comes the part where apparently Harry sees Cheryl walking away, and saying "Thankyou daddy, goodbye."

Which come to think of it, makes no sense, but somehow this drives Harry to defeat the Incubus.

And after he defeats the Incubus he mentions being knocked back several realms and finding "Alessa". And then bla bla, "she" presents him with a baby.

There may even be another possibility to this. Perhaps Alessa wanted to "create" a new version of herself to rid herself of the guilt she had, while the Incubus wanted a new mother for it's body. Consequently it could be that the power of the Incubus helped "Alessa/Incubator" with the birth of the new Cheryl/Alessa so that way it'd have a new mother.

(Haw haw, Incubus you tricky and mean god you.)

Ok, I need to shut up and go to bed.

[Burning Man]

Regarding the Play Novel, if you ever get the chance to read one of Cybil's endings, where Harry kills her off in Nowhere [*], the baby is still given to Harry, but Cybil sees something wrong with the baby's eyes and call it the demon (or Devil). (There's another ending exactly as above except Harry killing Cybil is missing.)

This leads me to believe that the baby was supposed to be created, originally, regardless. I suppose Harry defeating Incubus was the key to whether the demon within Heather went back to sleep or the baby had already awakened as the demon.

I don't think I'm aware of the "I hope she understands" line from Alessa's diary, unless this is something from the 0rigins demo, so I have no comments on that.

In regards to your theory, I can't say if it's right or wrong, but since the demon (or the god) is supposed to be born from pain and suffering, it's quite possible that Alessa's guilt may have been a contributing factor to the birth of the demon. Although, I must say that there seems to be a significant difference between the guilt from Alessa and the guilt from James and co.

[*] It's not that Harry is possessed here, but he's made up his mind that this is the same Possessed Cybil that he defeated in the merry-go-round. (His mind is probably clouded because it is implied that he is happy to find the baby.) In the scene in Nowhere, Cybil approaches Harry to tell him to look at the baby's eyes with the intention of informing him that the baby is a demon.

Изменено: Burning Man, 16 Сентябрь 2007 - 03:19

[St.Aatos]

Regarding the Play Novel, if you ever get the chance to read one of Cybil's endings, where Harry kills her off in Nowhere [*], the baby is still given to Harry, but Cybil sees something wrong with the baby's eyes and call it the demon (or Devil). (There's another ending exactly as above except Harry killing Cybil is missing.)

This leads me to believe that the baby was supposed to be created, originally, regardless. I suppose Harry defeating Incubus was the key to whether the demon within Heather went back to sleep or the baby had already awakened as the demon.

I don't think I'm aware of the "I hope she understands" line from Alessa's diary, unless this is something from the 0rigins demo, so I have no comments on that.

In regards to your theory, I can't say if it's right or wrong, but since the demon (or the god) is supposed to be born from pain and suffering, it's quite possible that Alessa's guilt may have been a contributing factor to the birth of the demon. Although, I must say that there seems to be a significant difference between the guilt from Alessa and the guilt from James and co.

Yeah, I believe I read that ending too.

The only problem I see with that idea (of the baby being created regardless) is that in SH1 the defeat of Incubus is needed. If the baby were to be born regardless, then Harry could have just fought Incubator, and she would have birthed the baby regardless. However it seems that the defeat of Incubus is the catalyst that gets the baby born.

Anyways.

April 18

It is finally tomorrow.
I will not tell anyone about this.
If I tell anyone they will probably strap me to my bed.

Before they arrive...
The friend that can share my feelings.
The only one...

I wonder if she will realize this?
Tonight I will go to bed early.


Also funny you mention the Origins demo. From what I've seen it seems to pinpointing to certain things that are definitely interesting. (imo)

[Burning Man]

Yeah, I know what you mean. The Play Novel isn't always canon and this is an exclusive ending for the Play Novel. It's true that we don't know what happened when Cybil got there, so whether Harry defeated Incubus in that ending can be argued. Technically, that ending could be an addendum to the official Good Ending.

April 18

[...]

I wonder if she will realize this?
Tonight I will go to bed early.

Toby and I go way back. I'm credited in his translation guide as well. (It's kind of obvious who I am.) Yet, the gender in that sentence is not mentioned in the Play Novel. In my translation, I wrote it as "he" because I was pretty sure Alessa was referring to Andy. (If you examine the picture frame instead of the diary, you'll see why: "02/4Y DNA") Toby thinks she's talking about Cheryl, which he does state in his footnotes. I haven't discussed this with him, however.

Translations are tricky business, and the English language required a gender reference for that sentence. The gender really depends on whom she's talking about: "that guest."

In my opinion, it's Andy.

Изменено: Burning Man, 16 Сентябрь 2007 - 07:31

[St.Aatos]

I guess there would be two subtle clues as to the identity this person being Andy. First there's the picture frame that reads "02/4Y DNA" (02/4 Andy)? and then there's one of those cards which depicts Alessa and Andy.

My only issue with this person being Andy, is why would Alessa put so much faith in a seven year old boy? As far as I know Andy never actually met Cheryl, but was always watching her and wanting to talk to her. So in my opinion, Andy wasn't quite yet a friend of Cheryl's.

Also Alessa mentions that this special person will be arriving. Unless Alessa could have predicted Andy stowing himself into the jeep, then he couldn't have been the one. And honestly, I don't think Andy was close enough to either Alessa or Cheryl in order for Alessa to establish a mental connection with him.

However, the line "I hope she understands" could relate to the fact that when Cheryl arrives in Silent Hill she will be reunited with Alessa, and will 'die'.

[Burning Man]

First there's the picture frame that reads "02/4Y DNA" (02/4 Andy)?

It's "4/20 Andy". The April 20 entry is also the final entry in the diary which is left blank.

My logic was that since Alessa was talking about meeting someone on April 20, and since Andy's name is written on the picture frame with April 20 (4/20), I deduced that the special guest was Andy.

I don't know anything else about Andy other than the Spring scenario. While I do have the contact for the scenario writer for the Play Novel, I never did try to contact him. There's something about contacting a busy man to ask him a question about a game...

Andy actually spoke to Cheryl in the Spring scenario when she asks him if he isn't in her class. I'd like to think Cheryl was as much interested in the boy as he was interested in her.

Also Alessa mentions that this special person will be arriving. Unless Alessa could have predicted Andy stowing himself into the jeep, then he couldn't have been the one.

Maybe it was the gyromancy?

We'll probably never understand the relationship between the girls and Andy.

[St.Aatos]

Alright, how did we start on the topic of Cheryl (v 2.0) being a product of Alessa's guilt to trying to figure out who the 'special guest' is?

Are you trying to imply that Alessa herself was using gyromancy? Or that Dahlia was using gyromancy, and Alessa just happened to catch site of some of the things her mom was told?

Anyways, is it just me or does it seem like this the second boy who's had some sort 'obsession/longing' for either Alessa or Cheryl?

[Kromy]

Great stuff from the Play Novel you guys! I wish I could understand Japanese enough to play it myself, but...

This leads me to believe that the baby was supposed to be created, originally, regardless. I suppose Harry defeating Incubus was the key to whether the demon within Heather went back to sleep or the baby had already awakened as the demon.

Awesome point, Burning Man!